Meh links are the cancer of lowsec and now highsec station games. Need at least a 2bil pod to compete or pay for another account. Then ccp wonders why their active numbers are so small with less and less new people no matter how good the tutorial phase is. Between links and op ships no reason for a new bro to try eve pvp unless dragged in by a friend. Thier play time will just be death after death because someone has another account running a 500mil t3c for their 3 mil kestrel vs their own low sp kestrel. As for older people using links, lol risk adverse little s----. Enjoy dying to my griffin fleets!

I've successfully slid plexes in a slicer only doing 5700 heated. Garmur with HG Snakes should get what, 9k? Still very possible but now there will be some risk. Maybe you can use a cheaper kite ship and use the RF garmur for fleet support, a role for which it is really good even without links.

I've looked at your fit. It surpasses 10k with heat, and points/locks/shoots out to 70k. You don't find that slightly broken? You think the cancer ship kite meta is good for the game? God forbid people have to run their nano kite gangs with a margin of error that's actually relevant.

That or have a ungunned jackdaw like hull (25-30k) ehp ongrid link ship instead of sitting 30km from a pos surrounded by friendly guns.

4 moar dead boosters today. Including those surrounded by "friendly guns".

If you don't like them, just kill em while you wait for OGB to go away.

I remember you - you doing tha ghei maulus thing for years now - you had your fun now move on or go shoot the jita monument.

Your tears fills my soul with joy.

complains about n+1 mentality, uses whatever will be effective come what may. Even if there are less options to be effective.

In which case, right, we don't need off grid boosters.

You can make the case for off grid boosters by proving that they are of no consequence, but if you do then it is only intellectually honesty that requires that you do not complain when they are nerfed.

Stop with the nonsense, please.

We agree furiously.

I would also note that individuals using alts is very far away from "player centric activities".

Eve is a group game, and new players should always be encouraged to meet and make friends.

And to bring new folks they know (and can trust) to their corp.

Skirmish gangs don't require links unless you're terrible.

Get over it link boy. You will have to learn to pvp properly or go mission it out in high sec

I love watching these beta males cry about their precious ogb :)

its not that im specifically angry about frigates crashing plexes, but you are the only zealot here defending links as they are and your reason is purely because it will affect your frigate plex crashing.

As I said, requires more than one nado alt so you're looking at mismatched numbers already. Purely for purposes of countering links, the best solution is to bring your own. This represents a poor mechanic.

The advantage links provide to kiting setups is far more valuable than just bringing +1 character on-grid which will require far more active input than a links alt.

Crosi brings links instead of a logi alt because the logi alt doesn't enable him to remain on-grid indefinitely against an enemy fleet. Nor would a Falcon alt or anything else. Links are the critical cornerstone of the presently supreme nano kite meta and their risk/reward considerations are vastly out of sync with any other conceivable alt roles.

Which is the crux of the matter. The nano kite elite pvp gods don't want to see their playstyle get nerfed, which is understandable. But the fact that this play style is more a function of paying a second sub than any combination of player skill and decision-making should raise red flags for any honest observer.

it has nothing to do with reshiping.

brawl combined with proper logistics cant be broken by range unless range has ewar but this can be also countered by anti ewar.

As everything in eve, this is situational, specialy for pvp.

if u consider complexes from Faction warfare, if a cruiser size fleet get into a medium complx and waits at entry point for a kite fleet, they will always win.... This scenario works also for gates in null (with/without bubbles).

so again, its situational.

kite and brawl are both good styles.

My blob keeps losing to a smaller number of boosted players. Instead of taking advantage of force multipliers, asymmetric balance, hard counters, logistics and many other options available i would lke to keep doing the same thing but win if i had the skill to bring more people.

Just to be clear, if your friend boosts for you, you should have no problem with links being put on grid, right?

Except there is no real person behind it, and it doesn't take presumption to come to that conclusion.

The entire argument that this is an MMO and you should find a booster pet, must be supported by demonstrable and practicable supply of players who are willing to play a particular role, before it can be thrown around. Otherwise it's a moot point. This is an MMO, but nobody or few people are willing to engage in one facet of it as an MMO? Reeks of bad design.

There are between a small to a few amount of players who would ever consider sitting semi-afk and boost for another person, investing their real time into this nonsense. Hence nobody needs to science it out why you don't have buddy sitting in a safe spot flying an OGB.

If I'm going to multibox a max skilled prober with a virtue set, I would rather just buy a link alt. Because the first one is useful in a few narrow circumstances while the second makes my ship 30% better, 100% of the time, and requires far less active input.

So let me get this straight: I am supposed to spend my time contacting people outside the game to arrange small gang duels. And they are going to agree to fair play because we are all jolly good gents with high standards of gamesmanship.

Are you high?

Crosi, I think you are letting your love of Eve cloud your vision. Look at how you play the game, in your own case. Linked up and solo.

Are YOU contacting all the smashing chaps who can't wait to meet you and your buddies for a duel?

It's fantasy. Not only is it fantasy, it is not what it says on the tin. EVE promotes itself as a sandbox where gangs of friends can engage in interesting PVP pew.

It does not say on the tin that EVE is a game where, of you don't have a job or need money, you can spend your life trying to organize space ship pew pew between likeable and forthright groups of smashing chaps who are, in fact, a most devious and wretched collection of rapacious pirates.

Whichever side of the argument you stand for, you end up bleeding players out of the game.

It could just as well be that that anybody has no attraction to firing up a mandatory 2nd account.